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Thursday, January 19, 2006

Becoming A Public Defender Investigator

Before I post about what’s been going on with my caseload, I want to address an e-mail I received late last week from Meg in Oregon.

First off, I receive about 2-3 emails a week from future Public Defender Investigators. Some are investigators that are currently doing civil or criminal work in the private sector and want some advice on getting their foot in the door of a Public Defender’s office, others are people that have never worked in a law office and done any investigation…ever. I usually try to respond to everyone individually, but Meg’s email was very nice and gave me permission to use it in a post so, here it is:

Hi Sancho,

I found your blog online and was struck by a line in your
bio:
"I dreamed of doing this work since I was a young pup in college and now...It's my life!"

Though I'm no longer a young pup (I'm a single mom in my mid 40's), I too, dream of being a PD investigator. But I'm having difficulty getting good information on training, education and the best ways to get into this field.

Do you have any advice for me? Any recommendations on good programs of study or coursework I should take? Any thoughts on getting practical experience through a volunteer or entry-level position that would help me break into the field as I continue my education?

I've found a couple of on line legal investigation programs, but I'm unsure of their credibility. I live in Oregon, and none of those programs are based locally. There are a few private investigation programs here, but again, I question their credibility and
they're rather expensive and short. Three are listed with the OR Dept of Ed though.

There are also paralegal programs, but I don't want to push papers exclusively; nor do I want to work in a huge corporate firm.

Any info you can give me would be much appreciated. Thanks for your time.

Meg

First off, it really choked me up to read, I too, dream of being a PD Investigator. There are a few people out there that have the calling to do our work, and I’m so glad you took the time to email me.

I can’t really make any judgment on those home study at Private Investigation programs or schools because my first experience was working for a Private Investigation firm. My gut feeling is to stay away from them and if you really want to use them I would check with the Better Business Bureau in your area and even do a little investigation on your own to see if there are any lawsuits against them at your local courthouse.

You would probably be better served by going to a Junior College or University that offers Criminal Justice courses and take a few just to get your feet wet and learn the basics of the criminal justice system in America.

In California there are several Criminal Defense/Public Defender Investigator specific organizations that run conferences throughout the year. Check out the website at the Defense Investigators Association (CDIA), they have an upcoming conference in May 2006. I would also check with the National Defender Investigator Association (NDIA) which holds conferences across the country and usually holds at least one in California (I keep mentioning California because it’s what I’m familiar with).
Conferences from both organizations are great places for learning, asking questions and most importantly, being able to network with other investigators. Both have reasonable rates for conferences but for you, obviously travel would be a issue and also lodging…just something to consider.

I don’t know if you’ve contacted the State Of Oregon Office Of Public Defender Services, but they might be a good place to start. Find out if they have an intern program (paid preferably), see if you can meet with a supervising or Chief investigator from their local office to talk with them about working at the office and what their day to day life is like.

I think anyone with a little bit of life experience would make a great investigator, and I don’t think you’re ever to young or to get into this work.

This post is a little longer than I had planned but feel free to email me if you think I’m full of shit or if you need some more help. I know I have some stuff saved on disks and binders somewhere, if you want I can email you any training materials I have, which will give you and idea of what to expect in criminal defense investigations and I also recommend you check out Greg Worthen’s, Public Defender Investigator Network. It’s a great place to find training materials and network with other investigators.

Good luck!

9 comments:

Greg said...

Sancho: thanks for the mention. I would add that in Colorado we often have paralegal students as investigator interns. Not only is it a good way to get in the door, but we often hire former interns when we have openings, because we know them and how they approach the work.

Melissa said...

*sniff*

Sanchovilla said...

No Prob Greg. I should have mentioned in my post that at my office (and many counties in California), we routinely hire interns that we worked with also. Best way to get your foot in the door.

libralinda said...

Nice of you.

MagnumPI said...

I would have the same recommendations as you Sancho, but add to it that working with a private firm is a great way to get some experience as well. I began through an internship (unpaid) with the PD. Networking with my supervisor landed me a job with his brother in the PI field. Wanting desperately to get back to working for the indigent, I applied at the first opening. My old supervisor put in good words for me and lo and behold, I was the chosen one. Good luck to all who too dream of this career. In addition, look into volunteer work with things such as the Innocence Project...

Anonymous said...

We have a Investigative intern in our office. He has no experience and is doing a lot of grunt work but it's a foot in the door. He did a non-paying intern first and now has a six month paid internship. You might see if the OR defenders would be open to that (though I know few single mothers who have time to volunteer)

from Kelly/FDEWI

ambimb said...

Too bad you don't live in Indianapolis -- they're hiring 10! defense investigators right now.

Meg said...

WOW! Thanks Sancho for the friendly reception, the thoughtful response and the good info. I also really appreciate hearing the comments and suggestions from others as well - thanks to everyone for taking the time to reply.

I will definitely follow up on the ideas provided here. I'm particularly interested in checking out any internships (paid or unpaid) I might be able to get into. I don't care about doing grunt work, as long as I have a chance to learn and perhaps get my foot in the door. It's great to hear that may be a possibility - or at least that it's being done elsewhere.

Fortunately (or actually UNfortunately - depending if you're an optimist or not) I'm used to being broke for now. I'm on TANF (please don't hate me, I despise it, too) and am working with Voc Rehab to get retraining. I've committed the next year to my studies and am prepared for an unpaid work experience if need be.

I have a question for all of you out there in the field. I often surf the Portland IndyMedia website because its a forum for local activists and frequently has info related to civil rights and indigent defense. I posted a question there asking if there was a group or "cause" who might need volunteer help related (however remotely) to legal defense.

Boy, did I get an ear full from a couple of people. Basically, the gist was that "trainees" shouldn't be messing around with an indigent's clients' future. Here's the link:

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/331277.shtml?discuss

This post then inspired another (by the same rather rabid individual) entitled "Public Defenders should go on strike":

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/331593.shtml

I, obviously, don't agree with the negative sentiments expressed in these posts. But I was wondering what you all had to say about this. Do you often face such harsh criticism from your clients and/or the public in general?

Sorry this is so long. Thanks for your time and input.

Meg

Jeff Bramlett said...

Sancho:

Great to read your blog. Thanks for the links and inspiration. I am an Oregon special education teacher thinking about becoming an investigator.

Again, thanks,

Jeff Bramlett